"Free Thinking – Delacroix. Petain, De Gaulle. Jonathan Lynn". BBC Radio 3. 17 February 2016. Retrieved 26 November 2022. The discussion between Lynn and Philip Dodd, the presenter, begins at 16.00 after the start. A podcast is also available for downloading within the United Kingdom, but not necessarily elsewhere, as in some cases the BBC blocks its podcasts from being downloaded outside the United Kingdom.